We had a discussion of tattoos and piercings at one of the cafes tonight.
Is it beauty, conforming to a social group, or is it self mutilation?
I must confess I know very little about this topic and that makes it very interesting for me.
To start off with, we can agree that tattoos have the characteristic of being somewhat painful to acquire and rather permanent.
While some may just like the graphic beauty of tattoos, for others, the pain and permanence mean tattoos are used to mark a significant event, experience, or relationship. Perhaps to mark the solidarity of a group in the passing of one of them, or the bonding of the group.
But what about tattoos in the more private parts of the body that are not meant to be seen. Some said that this is a delicious secret like wearing silk or designer underwear that only the owner will know and revel in that secret knowledge. Strange?
Piercings tends to be more for the beauty of it.
Some said that they would only have tattoos that are original and significant rather than just popular. That tattoos can be part of a person's identity and that it also invites others to see part of this identity and therefore relate and talk about it.
When asked why people have a tattoo or piercing done, very often they answer because they like it.
Is this to conform to their social group or is their sense of beauty influenced by their social group? Maybe it is the people who do not have tattoos and piercings that are out of it and don't appreciate the finer points of the art?
Graham mentioned that variations in art such as improvising in jazz or playing a classical music piece with feeling is all about making variations within set rules to give some fresh variety. Is piecing elsewhere on the body other than the earlobes just this kind of variation? Is tattooing just another variation of clothing or fashion, or like cosmetic surgery such as removing a mole?
Would tattooing and piercing be less popular if the opposite portion of society show less distaste for it? This is the rebellious theory that no doubt applies in some cases.
As usual, there are always more questions than answers. However, the significant thought for me is the concept of beauty and "neatness". Can we actually define beauty and attractiveness without being influenced by the social group or role models that we look up to?
When we see someone or some arrangement as good looking and attractive, we naturally want to be more like that. Are we conforming or are we independently judging what is beautiful? Particularly if we think a certain person has good taste, then we think it is sensible to give more weight to what they wear, tattoo, or pierce, are we conforming?
If we think we look beautiful but others don't think so (especially those whose tastes we respect), can we still continue to think we are beautiful?
Is beauty in the eyes of the beholder rather than the mind of the model?
The life of a hermit seems so much simpler.......but perhaps not as much fun.
I really enjoyed my first experience at a philosophers cafe. I think the thing that was most impressive was the respect we showed for other views and cultural perspectives while avoiding any personal attacks. Having more questions than answers is always a good thing but what Im really wondering is how we tally up the score and find out who won?(Joke). Might see you at Deer Lake park - this seems like a far better way to learn than paying money to kill people's creativity. **Precursor/Sarcasm warning**; Nobody should EVER change their mind, not even when a more pragmatic approach is brought forward. I mean...how do you think that big dude in the sky got so popular? By just letting free thought happen? The proof is in how much money they make, right? http://endjoke.sorry.if.i.offend.org
ReplyDeleteWelcome Graeme!
ReplyDeleteAnswers seems to have a habit of hatching more questions. For me, it is an indication of the horizon stretching (and receding, not such a good thing!) Ignorance can be a lot more consoling, knowledge a lot more complicating. Email me at ideascafe.net@gmail.com if you would like to be added to the email list for Ideas Cafe. I usually send out email to people on the list for the coming Ideas Cafe meetings, introduce the topic and expand on it a bit before the meeting. A lot of the time the meetings take off in a completely different direction but that is good for me. I get to learn.